tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post4580349087695021607..comments2023-07-18T19:52:35.156+10:00Comments on another something: 10 thoughts on sexual sin from 2 Samuel 11-12Simone R.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05248239853519762027noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-60743270807221788162010-05-25T17:44:56.629+10:002010-05-25T17:44:56.629+10:00I think there's a fair few exegetical details ...I think there's a fair few exegetical details over the whole of 1 & 2 Samuel that would suggest that David should have been out leading his army. Not the least of which would be that it's his job description. That's what a king did, he fought battles to protect his people.<br /><br />I don't think it's a case of reading anything back into the times, particularly as the wisdom literature of the time period seemed to be quite concerned with idleness.Kutzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12993685410486388532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-31273735775385236082010-05-25T15:23:48.271+10:002010-05-25T15:23:48.271+10:00@ Kutz - I'm not fussed either way, but I thin...@ Kutz - I'm not fussed either way, but I think he was just getting up after his siesta. I don't really read anything that suggests it was wrong of him not to be leading the army himself, or that it was wrong to have a bit of leisure time. I think that's a Protestant work ethic back-reading into the text. Either way, he slept with someone else's wife and then had him murdered to cover the crime, and that can't be good.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11272544252649766985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-62573141011404840582010-05-25T12:51:51.744+10:002010-05-25T12:51:51.744+10:00@Jon: You don't think that the passage implies...@Jon: You don't think that the passage implies that David had significant leisure time? <br /><br />At home at the palace when he should have been 'at work' leading the army, he got up out of bed 'in the cool of the afternoon' for a stroll on the roof of the palace. Sounds pretty cruisy...<br /><br />I'd agree that boredom isn't necessarily implied, but idleness seems to be as I read it.Kutzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12993685410486388532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-28805899199800617492010-05-25T12:49:14.404+10:002010-05-25T12:49:14.404+10:00Just had a look and they're different words. ...Just had a look and they're different words. It looks like it's the 'to pass over' word when God puts away David's sin, not the take word.Kutzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12993685410486388532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-18938664221448630922010-05-25T07:39:28.915+10:002010-05-25T07:39:28.915+10:00yeah. you're right. there are quite a lot of r...yeah. you're right. there are quite a lot of references to 'take' - even 'god has taken away your sin.' Wonder if it's the same word there?Simone R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05248239853519762027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-36979276602735215612010-05-25T00:57:27.746+10:002010-05-25T00:57:27.746+10:00Many helpful observations.
Re: 7 and 8.
Isn'...Many helpful observations.<br /><br />Re: 7 and 8.<br /><br />Isn't the sin that he's chastised for primarily taking what's not his? Saw something good he liked, decided he wasn't going to be satisfied with all the good things God HAD given him, so took what wasn't his and God had given to someone else.<br /><br />Seems to be the point of the lamb story.<br /><br />This could have implications for 8.<br /><br />Sure, there'll be more feminist complications reading it this way, but it seems to me the way it's presented.Kutzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12993685410486388532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-57171354980351557612010-05-18T20:46:43.411+10:002010-05-18T20:46:43.411+10:00My only quibble is with point 3. Specifically, Ev...My only quibble is with point 3. Specifically, Eve blamed the serpent but admits that she was not forced - The serpent deceived me; I ate.<br /><br />However, Adam blamed Eve but, more strikingly, blamed God - The woman You put here, gave it to me; I ate. Meanwhile he neglects to admit that he was effectively right by her elbow - the woman gave it to her husband who was with her - and could have said something to Eve when the serpent was beguiling her.<br /><br />To me, the fact that Adam blamed God is possibly why the Fall is attributed to Adam, not Eve, in the rest of Scripture. That, and his proximity to Eve without saying, "Hey, stop!" gives the impression that he was secretly wanting to find out whether God was telling the truth but was happy to let Eve be the "wine-taster" whereupon, when he sees that Eve eats and doesn't immediately drop dead, he gives it a go.Laetitia :-)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08239718954326223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-911707550436621468.post-21687840924975966712010-05-18T18:45:44.761+10:002010-05-18T18:45:44.761+10:00That's cool Simone and very spot on. Except m...That's cool Simone and very spot on. Except maybe the boredom bit. I'm not sure that a king would have time to be bored. It's just as easy to sin when you're incredibly busy.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11272544252649766985noreply@blogger.com